A couple of week ago the rhetoric from The Team really ratcheted up in anticipation of some filing by Mr. Stern’s lawyers. It was repeatedly posted that “chat logs” were going to be submitted, that we could anticipate a “knock on our doors”, and that “we will be made to pay” for some imagined transgression.
Most of us have been aware for a long time that “Sun” had talked to Mr. Harris and Mr. Wood. Hell, we’ve known about it since the end of 2007. We choose not to discuss it or concern ourselves with it because we deemed whatever information she was relating about us to be unimportant, irrelevant or untrue. When threats concerning “chat logs” were reignited we assumed they were referring to “Sun’s” room. From the posts we were reading The Team’s information concerning what did and did not happen inside that chat room appeared to have been 1/3 fantasy, 1/3 hype and 1/3 misconstruction. In order to clear up this farce einy reposted on Topix the chat log from a night that for many of us was the genesis of awareness into “Suns” alleged cooperation with The Team. In addition to the chat log, einy also posted all the emails that she received from and sent to “Sun”. QV then reposted that chat log on her site…… the threats, lies and intimidation tactics by The Team kicked into high gear.
After reading the misinformation circulated by The Team, many of us that were actually there that night, and around in the days before and after, cooperated in an effort to expose what was really going on and this is our account. This is not QV’s story, or Rose’s story, or Art Harris’ story. These things happened to us. Friendships were lost, loyalties questioned, trusts broken, and feelings hurt. These are not some “characters” in a squalid drama, these were real people who were threatened, used, betrayed and ultimately left scarred by the incident (some a little and others a great deal). As one person involved in this drama put it:
the world …it just hurts....it hurts that she would lie and
do this to everyone that trusted her
What occurred did not happen in a vacuum, nothing does. There’s a complex and interwoven series of events that culminated in that room, on that night, with those people. In order to understand exactly what transpired and why people formed certain beliefs and reactions, one has to understand the context in which this was happening to us.
Contrary to what people who do not know, but state anyways, that particular chat took place on October 31, 2007 around 9:30 pm eastern daylight time. For Rose or anyone else to suggest otherwise is preposterous. She wasn’t there, we were. So since this is our story, allow us the courtesy of telling it. We don’t need you to spin it or interpret it according to some “agenda” that you have. Unlike The Team we just care about relating what happened to us, figuring out why it happened to us and what the consequences were and continue to be for all those involved. There are no “sides” in this tale, there’s just us – each one with his or her part of the puzzle. It took awhile to even begin to piece it together, but eventually we were able to see through all the lies and games and arrive at some core truths and hopefully a little understanding and forgiveness.
This is our story, from our perspective and our beliefs. It’s not a debate or a discussion, it simply is:
It was general knowledge that John J. Nazarian had been hired by Howard K. Stern sometime around April of 2007. Towards the middle of October of 2007 he became very visibly involved in the story posting on RoseSpeaks, The Bald Truth and TMZ. The first post that we could find by Mr. Nazarian was posted on October 9th at 6:43 pm in the comment section of “The Bald Truth”. Mr. Nazarian began his blogging adventure with these words: (all the misspellings are his and not ours).
reporting the truth and you wont be sorry.
Over 20 posts later, he wrote on November 19th, 2007 at 12:38 pm
On the night in question, October 31, 2007 Mr. Nazarian posted this comment on Art’s forum:
miserable, white women, confused look on a large pale face
and tight shoes to help with the funny walk! Oh, one more thing, you have to rent two ‘dopes’ in cheap suits to hold you and coddle you as you lump along! LOL
In other posts on Art’s site around that time Mr. Nazarian had this to say about Mrs. Arthur:
about to say! Sweetie, just drink the Kool Aid and go away!
You know don’t get too upset over the weight issue,
VA is just short for hers, hell if she was 8ft 6inches she would
be just fine!
While Mr. Nazarian was now taking a very visible and active role visiting and posting on sites frequented by The Team, posters were busy researching and putting up links to newspaper articles and videos about him. From a L.A. Times article we learned that Nazarian “treats trash as his private archaeological site” and that he “would love to find condoms.”
Others spoke out about Mr. Nazarian trying to intimidate them when they were scheduled to give depositions in cases, saying that the message they received from him was “I know where you live.” They reported that they felt that he was very unprofessional in his conduct.
We also learned that Nazarian had been suspended from the e-mail server of the California Association of Licensed Investigators for sending them a nasty e-mail. Nazarian himself is quoted as saying that his was not “an honorable profession”.
So near the end of October, when this “chat” took place, we were aware of the following facts regarding Mr. John Nazarian:
1.He was posting on Art’s forum
2.He was working for Howard K. Stern
3.He’d verbally attacked and used abusive language towards Mrs. Arthur.
4.He had been in contact with Rose Turner
5.He liked to dig through peoples garbage
6.He’d sent out nasty e-mails
7.People believed he had tried to intimidate them
8.He liked to scare people with the message that he knew were they lived.
9.He believed that his profession was one without honor.
Nazarian himself posted that the “darkside” is contacting us on the QT. Boy how many times have we heard the phrase “darkside” since then? Nazarian also wrote that all the tips and reports that he had been getting had been “very helpful” and he urged people to continue to contact him. He later thanked “all of you who helped” saying “you know who you are!” These posts were in October of 2007.
We also know that Art Harris had several nasty exchanges with James Edstrom of “Times Square Gossip” the site that Sun’s chat room was linked off of. It was also somewhere around this time that someone stole the garbage from in front of Ms. Vice’s residence. In the middle of this Rose Turner posted on her website that she had some major “bombshells” coming out very soon; things that would be “shocking”. Her minions carried this message to all the boards posting and reposting it. Some, who had never visited her site before were enticed there by these posts concerning Rose’s “impending scoops”.
In the middle of all of this, persons claiming to be J. Nazarian and others starting popping into Suns chat demanding to know “where’s Wilma”. The language of these visitors was very threatening and intimidating. News of the visits were transmitted to all of us via the internet and emails. Which all leads up to the night of October 31, 2007 and the transcript that QV subsequently put up on her site. (see chat transcripts for more detail). The next day Kerry talked to Sun on the telephone (which will be discussed in a future “Share & Compare article that we are currently working on). To this day Kerry feels that Sun was used and manipulated by Mr. Harris. Let’s remember that Wilma was issued a subpoena shortly after these events occurred.
Some became concerned that Rose and Sun had been enticing people onto their sites in order to cull personal information about them which they then turned over to Mr. Stern’s legal team either directly or through Mr. Harris. Many are convinced that in their zealous pursuit of “helping Stern” – Sun didn’t matter, James didn’t matter and innocent bloggers certainly didn’t matter. Then there are those involved who feel:
that the chat room was a set up from the beginning.....
think we were all taken..... we are dealing with some very
sick people
There is no consensus as to why it happened among the people who visited that chat room. There is even some disagreement about exactly who was in the chat that night. Some are convinced that Mr. Nazarian and friends were visiting the chat room. Others believe that the visitors were “sternoids” impersonating people in a continued effort to intimidate. Then there are those who maintain (as Sun does) that it was simply a silly game of “role playing”- no harm intended. The thing that troubles many of us is that if the last scenario is true why hasn’t anyone come forward and owned up to exactly what role they were playing that night? Why didn’t any of the participants (who must have been in the know) say STOP – and interject themselves into the “game” by informing their innocent guests that this was a joke that had gotten out of control? In the end it doesn’t matter who was really making the threats, what matters to us is that people were threatened and people were scared. What happened was shameful, no matter who the perpetrators eventually turn out to be.
Since that time a lot of new information has been made available to us through multiple sources including court documents and posts by Rose, Art and others. Then we have this very revealing post by Mr. Nazarian:
You all know the 'transcripts' that are floating around out there
are an interesting bunch of reading. If they are in fact 'the assistants',
great reading, but I already knew much of what is in them.
Just makes you warm and fuzzy knowing you had the right person!
I am sure that you cannot use them in a court of law! But dam they are going to be fun at a depo!
On December 31st Mr. Harris published an article titled “Bald Truth: 2007 Moments – Rita served”. In that article he wrote that sources had been telling him that “Virgie bloggers” were given instruction to spread rumors in the chat room of a popular entertainment website. He went on to write the following in his column:
“No,” said the caller.
“Did Rita asked you to call me?” asked the witness. Silence.
Then, according to the witness, the caller said, “I need to let you go. I need to make a couple of phone calls.’”
That left the witness to fear what might happen next. “I was shocked,” the witness told me. “It felt like they were trying to intimidate me.”
Well that was enough for all of us who had been paying attention to have our worse fears confirmed. We all believed that the “witness” was Sun and the caller was James Edstrom and that Mr. Harris had again twisted an innocent conversation into something nefarious. Einy contacted her attorney and explained the situation, requesting that the attorney explore whether or not a subpoena had been issued to Sun, and if so whether the information Sun was turning over had been redacted. The attorney looked into the matter and later informed her that he could not locate any subpoena issued to Sun. To this day we do not know whether a subpoena was issued or not.
Later Mr. Harris put this tidbit up on his website:
People who were familiar with that chat room have revealed to us that Sun wanted to be a part of this story, that she hated Virgie Arthur and that she constantly spoke about how brilliant Art Harris was. On January 2, 2007 it was repeatedly posted on TMZ that Sun had gone to visit Mr. Wood. We have been told by numerous people that Sun did indeed go to Atlanta after having been directed there by Art Harris and that she has spoken to Mr. Wood.
Most of us currently believe that was transpired around that time was calculated to draw innocent posters into the mess because some idiots had created a fantasy in their own heads and then disseminated the nonsense to others. So a fantasy, becomes a lie, becomes a source, becomes the truth.
The Team went out and repeated the lie until they convinced themselves that they “knew” what did and didn’t happen. Rose and Art created a monster and then the monster got away from them. As a result of this “game” the flames of hatred were fanned, innocent people were harassed and accused of being “paid bloggers” and worse. Someone even started posting with the name, “antinoids days are #.” Here’s what Art’s readers, J. Nazarian and Art had to say about this whole mess
Beth Says:
January 1st, 2008 at 4:51 am hmmmm…
Don’t know why Celebrity Photographer James Edstrom’s name popped up in my head as a possibility. Could be wrong, but I have found him to be about the ‘only’ supporter of the author; who wrote the wildest, most evil fairy tale that I have ever heard of. I say evil because I remember each and every interview saying this book has been vetted, we stand behind the truth…WHAT A LIE!
I truly hope this tidbit gets fully exposed! Wonder if it will be as much of a shocker as the money bribe in the Bahamas?
Leon Says:
January 1st, 2008 at 4:53 pm
(I delete deliberate misrepresentations from people who know better, especially those dispatched on paid missions for Team Virgie who never get the story right. But then, that’s what they are paid to do. I let the below statement stand because, whew, we know how busy she’s been, tagging along behind Grandma, sending back what her lawyers and so called investigators suggest, little dispatches contradicted by the AP, local papers and others on the scene. Tsk, tsk. The next line however IS accurate.–art)
John J. Nazarian Says: January 2nd, 2008 at 2:25 am Interesting……………….
John J. Nazarian, Private Invesigator
Rose Says:
January 1st, 2008 at 12:12 am Mr. Harris,
What evolving you have done since Feb. 2007 as an investigative journalist who followed the facts. You went from “drinking the Kool-Aid” in Feb. agreeing with many reporters, to doing the old fashion digging for the truth. You make all journalists, I am sure, who stand by their integrity; work sources; and leads to find the truth, feel a lot of pride in the business. Happy New Year, Mr. Harris and thanks for the straight shooting reporting that sadly at times have made you a target of the Virgie bloggers.
Leon Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
January 1st, 2008 at 12:26 am
Is it sunny out Art? You are fooling noone and keep spinning till you throw up. Nappy Lying New Year to you!
Tell your witness we were on to her from the get go and she has been a known liar!
————–
Leon? Or is it Wilma?
Afraid to use your real name like your friends, pal?
Hiding behind a new fake moniker, as usual?
Still writing on the bathroom stall?
This is all so…high school… and you’re about to go to the principal’s office, or juvenile.
Come out, come out, wherever you are.
Coward.
We’re on to you…spinning hate, telling lies…the only one you’re fooling is yourself.
I’m not hiding, so why are you?
You don’t know … what you think you know…
But I do.
I know you can’t wait to see what was in Wilma’s trash…
When does the truth hurt?
Happy New Year.
Art
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